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Kenneth Wayne Altman, MD
Otolaryngology
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Highlights
Age Groups Seen
- Adult (18-65)
- Adults over 65
Languages
- English
Gender
MaleAbout Kenneth Wayne Altman
Kenneth Altman, MD, PhD, is chair of Otolaryngology – Head & Neck Surgery for the Geisinger Neuroscience Institute and a professor at Geisinger Commonwealth School of Medicine.
Dr. Altman earned a doctorate in biomedical engineering and his medical degree from Duke University. He completed a residency in Otorhinolaryngology – Head & Neck Surgery at the University of Pennsylvania and a fellowship in Laryngology & Care of the Professional Voice at Vanderbilt University.
Dr. Altman is a board certified, nationally known authority on laryngology, care of the professional voice, cough and dysphagia. He has published articles and chapters in over 140 peer-reviewed journals and books, edited 2 books and delivered presentations at more than 260 conferences and courses. Dr. Altman is secretary/treasurer of the American Academy of Otolaryngology – Head and Neck Surgery and past president of the American Laryngological Association (ALA). He is also a fellow of the ALA, the American Academy of Otolaryngology, the American College of Surgeons, the American Rhinologic Society and the Triological Society.
Dr. Altman’s research interests include pre-malignant vocal fold disease, chronic cough and dysphagia in the presence of neurodegenerative disease.
Dr. Altman earned a doctorate in biomedical engineering and his medical degree from Duke University. He completed a residency in Otorhinolaryngology – Head & Neck Surgery at the University of Pennsylvania and a fellowship in Laryngology & Care of the Professional Voice at Vanderbilt University.
Dr. Altman is a board certified, nationally known authority on laryngology, care of the professional voice, cough and dysphagia. He has published articles and chapters in over 140 peer-reviewed journals and books, edited 2 books and delivered presentations at more than 260 conferences and courses. Dr. Altman is secretary/treasurer of the American Academy of Otolaryngology – Head and Neck Surgery and past president of the American Laryngological Association (ALA). He is also a fellow of the ALA, the American Academy of Otolaryngology, the American College of Surgeons, the American Rhinologic Society and the Triological Society.
Dr. Altman’s research interests include pre-malignant vocal fold disease, chronic cough and dysphagia in the presence of neurodegenerative disease.
Institute Leadership Title
Department Chair of Otolaryngology
Locations
- Geisinger Medical Center - ENT
- 100 North Academy Avenue, Danville, PA 17822
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- phone: 800-275-6401
- Geisinger Wyoming Valley Medical Office Building - ENT
- 950 East Mountain Boulevard, Wilkes Barre, PA 18702
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Expertise
Education
- Fellowship: Vanderbilt U. Medical Center, 1999
- Doctor of Medicine: Duke University School of Medicine, 1993
Board Certifications
- Otolaryngology: American Board of Otolaryngology - Head and Neck Surgery
Insurance
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Ratings & Reviews
4.9 out of 5
152 ratings, 31 reviewsThe Patient Satisfaction Rating is an average of all responses to the care provider related questions (shown below) from our independently conducted surveys (by Press Ganey Associates) sent to patients within two weeks after their visit with their care provider.
Explanations about your problem/condition
Concern shown for your questions/worries
Provider included you in decisions
Your confidence in care provider
Likelihood of recommending to others
CP discuss treatments
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 3/11/2026
The doctor was extremely kind, patient, and always explained everything. Goes out of their way to help you.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 3/11/2026
Dr Altman is an excellent Doctor with great insight and communication skills!
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 3/2/2026
Good experience
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 2/25/2026
After several years and medical personnel, we finally had an answer about my condition. The whole appointment was at least an hour long. We asked questions and discussed possible solutions. The endoscope video was of great help.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 2/19/2026
Dr. Altman is one of the very best physicians I have ever dealt with. He is caring, compassionate, listens to my questions and concerns, and is not condescending. I have complete confidence in his judgment.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 2/11/2026
Good
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 2/10/2026
I had a a lot of questions for Dr. Altman even though this was the second appointment, I had after vocal surgery. He not only took the time to listen and answer my questions, but also ensured that I understood his responses as well.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 1/28/2026
Dr. Altman has an excellent bedside manner. Very knowledgeable, and he explains things in great detail.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 1/21/2026
Dr Altman is superb! Very experienced, thorough and personable. The best !!!
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 1/15/2026
He was extremely helpful but very busy [...] but he gave me his full attention [...]
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 12/24/2025
Great experience.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 12/12/2025
Easy to understand and explained everything that was going on.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 11/12/2025
Great doctor
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 11/5/2025
Everything about this doctor is a#5. Very kind and concerned doctor.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 10/25/2025
Conversation exceeded expectations
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 10/17/2025
Professional and precise. Answered all and any questions. Explained in detail
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 10/15/2025
Dr. Altman is the BEST.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 10/8/2025
Dr. Altman was respectful and attentive to all my concerns. He presented as knowledgeable and personable, a combination that inspired confidence in his recommendations. He explained everything well and insomuch as having a scope rammed up one's nose could ever be fun, made the appointment enjoyable.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 9/24/2025
It is a 3 hour drive for me to get there and I will be returning back for my treatment I was veryer impressed with the treatment
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 9/20/2025
This was my first visit with this provider I was very impressed
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 8/13/2025
He is amazing!!! For the first time ever my nose was scoped painlessly because he listened and cared!! He was super helpful!! Loved him and the entire staff!!
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 8/7/2025
He is one of the best Drs I have ever had, as far as explaining things that are going on with me, in a way that I understand. He takes the time necessary to make you feel well cared for.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 8/5/2025
Dr Altman is a class act!
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 7/19/2025
Dr Altmann was amazing. He answered all my questions and educated me on my condition with information I hadn't known before. I was incorrect about my situation thank goodness. My vocal cords were fine it was actually my GERD that was causing the issue. He prescribed what I needed and I've been doing great! What a relief!
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 7/11/2025
[....] is a man I came to respect and admire quickly. I appreciate his insight and respect him greatly after only a single visit. He is a significant asset to your team.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 6/28/2025
I have been seeing [...] for a few years now and the care I receive has been consistent. He is caring, listens, and remembers aspects not only about my health condition, but my lifestyle and other attributes that contribute to my health. [...] is also thorough and is not hasty. I never feel "pushed" into meds or procedures. I am very happy to have [...] as my ENT.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 6/13/2025
First time seeing Dr Altman. Wonderful provider. Very thorough and very knowledgeable. Appreciated his time spent with me.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 6/5/2025
Excellent analysis, treatment options, clear communications.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 5/21/2025
Amazing.
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 5/6/2025
Good
- 5 out of 5 starsReviewed on 4/24/2025
First seen by [...], a PA, and then Dr Altman. Both were excellent